[TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (Ends 2026-02-27)
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Subject: [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (Ends 2026-02-27)
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[ AD hat on ] All, I want to remind people that the goal of this 2nd WGLC is to focus on the new text changed in responds to the conclusion of the 1st WGLC. We already had a WGLC on this document [1] and the conclusion [2] was that it passed WGLC provided some clarifying text would be added that stated that for the general use case, hybrids were preferred. This 2nd WGLC is about that topic. There is an appeal chain that got muddled by the inappropriate use of derivative clauses that is still in progress, but so far yielded the AD statement [3] that confirmed the WG Chairs view that the consensus call passed. There is an appeal with the IESG [4] on that decision, and this document will not be placed in the RFC Editor queue until that appeal has concluded, but will also not stop all processing while the appeal runs. This 2nd WGLC is meant to get those people who provisionally said "yes" to publication of this document pending some extra text, to review this text and let us know if that resolves the conditional part of their "yes" statement. The text changes to discuss can be seen at: https://author-tools.ietf.org/iddiff?url1=draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05&url2=draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-07&difftype=--html I understand this is a heated topic. I am also not hearing from people that they have changed their opinion on whether or not to publish this document at all. Confirming your views are fine, but again, that is not the goal of this 2nd WGLC. It would be helpful if, especially those people who wanted additional clarifying text, to give us feedback on this. And ideally, offer up suggestions that would address any still outstanding issues. Thanks, Paul [1] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tls/Pzdox1sDDG36q19PWDVPghsiyXA/ [2] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tls/Gc6KVPrVHn-QCkeEcvJ_qtRcFxY/ [3] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tls/dzPT8KQe4S-_pZROLUJMvS9pM0M/ [4] https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/iesg/appeals/artifact/230
- [TLS] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (Ends… Joseph Salowey
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Eric Rescorla
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Stephen Farrell
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Ben Schwartz
- [TLS] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf… Andrei Popov
- [TLS] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf… Ben Schwartz
- [TLS] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf… Andrei Popov
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-07 (… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… John Mattsson
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… David Adrian
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Russ Housley
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Deirdre Connolly
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Ben Schwartz
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Quynh Dang
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Simon Josefsson
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Joshua
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Viktor Dukhovni
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Deirdre Connolly
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… John Mattsson
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Russ Housley
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Paul Wouters
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-07 (… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… David Adrian
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… sanketh
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Sophie Schmieg
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-… sanketh
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Joseph Salowey
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Filippo Valsorda
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Stephen Farrell
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… David Adrian
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Russ Housley
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Sophie Schmieg
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Yaroslav Rosomakho
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Andrei Popov
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Quynh Dang
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Dan Wing
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Peter Gutmann
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Viktor Dukhovni
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-… John Mattsson
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Thom Wiggers
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Nadim Kobeissi
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-07 (… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Scott Fluhrer (sfluhrer)
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Izzy Grosof
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-07 (… John Mattsson
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Stephen Farrell
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Nick Sullivan
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-07 (… Deirdre Connolly
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Nadim Kobeissi
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Yaroslav Rosomakho
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Nadim Kobeissi
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… John Mattsson
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-07 (… Nadim Kobeissi
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-07 (… Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-07 (… Nadim Kobeissi
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-07 (… Nico Williams
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-07 (… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Nadim Kobeissi
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Kurt Roeckx
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Peter Gutmann
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Nicola Tuveri
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-07 (… Thom Wiggers
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Deirdre Connolly
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Nadim Kobeissi
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… David Adrian
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Izzy Grosof
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Paul Wouters
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-07 (… Viktor Dukhovni
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… David Adrian
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-… Keegan Dasilva Barbosa
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Nadim Kobeissi
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-07 (… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Nadim Kobeissi
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Stephen Farrell
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Deirdre Connolly
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Nadim Kobeissi
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Deirdre Connolly
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Nadim Kobeissi
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Deirdre Connolly
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Rob Sayre
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Izzy Grosof
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… David Adrian
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Nadim Kobeissi
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Nadim Kobeissi
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Simon Josefsson