[TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-07 (Ends 2026-02-27)
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From: "Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com>
To: Nadim Kobeissi <nadim@symbolic.software>
Thread-Topic: [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-07 (Ends 2026-02-27)
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Subject: [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-07 (Ends 2026-02-27)
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* The pattern: “no, it’s doesn’t quite throw the baby out with the bathwater, but it makes it easier to.” How does it do that? Are you saying that people will ignore the Recommended column? Is that a reasonable belief? Why ignore just that one and not, say, the assigned codepoint? Do you think they are ignoring the Recommended column for things like DES and RC4? Or do you have another reason for saying that, or is it just verbal tricks? All we can do is try to document our meaning and intent clearly.
- [TLS] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (Ends… Joseph Salowey
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Eric Rescorla
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Stephen Farrell
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Ben Schwartz
- [TLS] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf… Andrei Popov
- [TLS] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf… Ben Schwartz
- [TLS] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf… Andrei Popov
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-07 (… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… John Mattsson
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… David Adrian
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Russ Housley
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Deirdre Connolly
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Ben Schwartz
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Quynh Dang
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Simon Josefsson
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Joshua
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Viktor Dukhovni
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Deirdre Connolly
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… John Mattsson
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Russ Housley
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Paul Wouters
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-07 (… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… David Adrian
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… sanketh
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Sophie Schmieg
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-… sanketh
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Joseph Salowey
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Filippo Valsorda
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Stephen Farrell
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… David Adrian
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Russ Housley
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Sophie Schmieg
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Yaroslav Rosomakho
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Andrei Popov
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Quynh Dang
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Dan Wing
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Peter Gutmann
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Viktor Dukhovni
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-… John Mattsson
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Thom Wiggers
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Nadim Kobeissi
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-07 (… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Scott Fluhrer (sfluhrer)
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Izzy Grosof
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-07 (… John Mattsson
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Stephen Farrell
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Nick Sullivan
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-07 (… Deirdre Connolly
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Nadim Kobeissi
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Yaroslav Rosomakho
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Nadim Kobeissi
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… John Mattsson
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-07 (… Nadim Kobeissi
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-07 (… Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-07 (… Nadim Kobeissi
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-07 (… Nico Williams
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-07 (… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Nadim Kobeissi
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Kurt Roeckx
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Peter Gutmann
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Nicola Tuveri
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-07 (… Thom Wiggers
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Deirdre Connolly
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Nadim Kobeissi
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… David Adrian
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Izzy Grosof
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Paul Wouters
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-07 (… Viktor Dukhovni
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… David Adrian
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-… Keegan Dasilva Barbosa
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Nadim Kobeissi
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-07 (… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Nadim Kobeissi
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Stephen Farrell
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Deirdre Connolly
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Nadim Kobeissi
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Deirdre Connolly
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Nadim Kobeissi
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Deirdre Connolly
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Rob Sayre
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Izzy Grosof
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… David Adrian
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Nadim Kobeissi
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Nadim Kobeissi
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Simon Josefsson