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From: John Mattsson <john.mattsson@ericsson.com>
To: Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie>, Paul Wouters <paul=40nohats.ca@dmarc.ietf.org>, "tls@ietf.org" <tls@ietf.org>
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>"The chairs will then redo a working group last call to see if >there is rough consensus for publishing this document."
>
>FWIW, I read that as meaning a fresh WGLC not one >limited to the diff.

+1

I think [2] is just fine. I do not agree with the AD’s summary of [2].

John

From: Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie>
Date: Friday, 20 February 2026 at 16:07
To: Paul Wouters <paul=40nohats.ca@dmarc.ietf.org>, tls@ietf.org <tls@ietf.org>
Subject: [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (Ends 2026-02-27)


Hi Paul,

Quoting from [2] below:

"The chairs will then redo a working group
last call to see if there is rough consensus for publishing this document."

FWIW, I read that as meaning a fresh WGLC not one limited to the
diff. And I think it'd be unwise to process this as if it weren't
as controversial as it clearly is.

Cheers,
S.

On 20/02/2026 15:00, Paul Wouters wrote:
>
> [ AD hat on ]
>
> All,
>
> I want to remind people that the goal of this 2nd WGLC is to focus on
> the new text changed in responds to the conclusion of the 1st WGLC.
>
> We already had a WGLC on this document [1] and the conclusion [2] was
> that it passed WGLC provided some clarifying text would be added that
> stated that for the general use case, hybrids were preferred. This
> 2nd WGLC is about that topic.
>
> There is an appeal chain that got muddled by the inappropriate use of
> derivative clauses that is still in progress, but so far yielded the AD
> statement [3] that confirmed the WG Chairs view that the consensus call
> passed. There is an appeal with the IESG [4] on that decision, and this
> document will not be placed in the RFC Editor queue until that appeal has
> concluded, but will also not stop all processing while the appeal runs.
>
> This 2nd WGLC is meant to get those people who provisionally said "yes"
> to publication of this document pending some extra text, to review this
> text and let us know if that resolves the conditional part of their
> "yes" statement. The text changes to discuss can be seen at:
>
> https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fauthor-tools.ietf.org%2Fiddiff%3Furl1%3Ddraft-ietf-tls-&data=05%7C02%7Cjohn.mattsson%40ericsson.com%7C31ea592db84e4abab37108de7091b685%7C92e84cebfbfd47abbe52080c6b87953f%7C0%7C0%7C639071968298812970%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=iTcaRIt8%2FPHt35viAX3YjkifaHeYf5NXjYFKKUP62kA%3D&reserved=0<https://author-tools.ietf.org/iddiff?url1=draft-ietf-tls->
> mlkem-05&url2=draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-07&difftype=--html
>
>
> I understand this is a heated topic. I am also not hearing from people
> that they have changed their opinion on whether or not to publish this
> document at all. Confirming your views are fine, but again, that is not
> the goal of this 2nd WGLC. It would be helpful if, especially those
> people who wanted additional clarifying text, to give us feedback on
> this. And ideally, offer up suggestions that would address any still
> outstanding issues.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul
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