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From: John Mattsson <john.mattsson@ericsson.com>
To: Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com>, Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>
Thread-Topic: [TLS] Re: New Liaison Statement, "Liaison communication to IETF regarding draft-ietf-tls-mlkem"
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Russ Housley wrote:
>We know that the IEEE needs a document to reference.  I believe 3GPP and ITU-T are in the same situation.

Yes, I think most SDOs, including the IETF, have significant concerns about using the current Internet-Drafts as long-term normative references.

The topic was discussed at length during the 3GPP–IETF coordination meeting, and at its next meeting, 3GPP SA3 will discuss sending a LS to IETF on the matter.

https://www.3gpp.org/ftp/tsg_sa/WG3_Security/TSGS3_127_Malta/Docs/S3-261117.zip

Cheers,
John Preuß Mattsson

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