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[Last-Call] Re: [TLS] Re: Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-tls-mldsa-03.txt> (Use of ML-DSA in TLS 1.3) to Informational RFC

Daniel Apon <dapon.crypto@gmail.com> Mon, 25 May 2026 01:06 UTC

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From: Daniel Apon <dapon.crypto@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 24 May 2026 20:57:09 -0400
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>From my perspective, it should already be clear-cut to absolutely everyone
at this very late stage that humans in CFRG and/or on the Crypto Review
Panel will be fundamentally incapable of providing anything novel or useful
to say on the cryptography (any such information is already completely
present in public discussion, and the odds of someone in these groups
having something novel to introduce that they've held back all this
time is *somewhat
noticeably lower* than the odds of a simultaneous meteor strike from outer
space cutting the physical Internet connections between my sending this
email and those on this list receiving it, such that you do not receive
this email).

Kind regards,
--Daniel

On Tue, May 19, 2026 at 8:48 AM Salz, Rich <rsalz=
40akamai.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

> Simon suggested CFRG and/or the crypto panel review ML-DSA.  I am asking
> if he really tninks that will contribute anything useful. And, secondarily,
> if he’s asked those people if they would think they have anything useful to
> contribute.
>
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