[TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (Ends 2026-07-08)
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Subject: [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (Ends 2026-07-08)
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I do not support the publication of this document. I remember well that security standards get broken: when they have been well-reviewed, but especially when they're new. Bugs show up in the math, but also in implementations. Lattice cryptography seems to me to be a very active field of research, when quite fundamental results (and bugs!) are still being discovered, both in the math and in the implementations. From a risk-management perspective alone, I believe that it's too risky to standardise, even as "informational", a mode of encryption that relies only on these new methods. Cheers Stephan PS: Full disclosure: I have just joined the TLS mailing list, mainly to say just this. I also have no standing in the cryptographic community, except that I have published a paper last year together with Peter Gutmann of this parish, about how all of the published quantum factorisation records are bogus [1]. What kind of standing this gives me, if any, is anybody's guess. [1] https://eprint.iacr.org/2025/1237
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Scott Fluhrer (sfluhrer)
- [TLS] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (Ends… Joseph Salowey via Datatracker
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Russ Housley
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Viktor Dukhovni
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Filippo Valsorda
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Stephen Farrell
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Deirdre Connolly
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Thom Wiggers
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… David Benjamin
- [TLS] Re: [External] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls… Schäfer, Pascal
- [TLS] Re: [External] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls… Deirdre Connolly
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Peter C
- [TLS] Re: [EXTERNAL] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls… Dang, Quynh H. (Fed)
- [TLS] Re: [EXTERNAL] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls… Andrei Popov
- [TLS] Re: [EXTERNAL] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls… David Adrian
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Deirdre Connolly
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Songbo Bu
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Simon Josefsson
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Nathanael Ritz
- [TLS] Re: [EXTERNAL] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls… Andrew Lee
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… John Mattsson
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Bas Westerbaan
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Christopher Patton
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Yaroslav Rosomakho
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A
- [TLS] Re: [External] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls… Ryan Appel
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Martin Thomson
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Nick Sullivan
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Nick Sullivan
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… mjjenki@cyber.nsa.gov
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… David Benjamin
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Daniel Van Geest
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Kevin Milner
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Martin Thomson
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… David Stainton
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… nhgajco@uwe.nsa.gov
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Daniel Apon
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… mark
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Nadim Kobeissi
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Peter Yee
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Kevin Milner
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Jan Schaumann
- [TLS] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf… Yaakov Stein
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… John Mattsson
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… santosh.chokhani
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Eric Rescorla
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Kevin Milner
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Filippo Valsorda
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Andrew Lee
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Andrew Lee
- [TLS] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf… Yaakov Stein
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Joe Birr-Pixton
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Nadim Kobeissi
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Sean Turner
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Nadim Kobeissi
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Sam
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Lincoln Stoll
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Jack Grigg
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… steve
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Jeff Hodges
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Peter Gutmann
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Viktor Dukhovni
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Marc Penninga
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Shane Killian
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Soatok Dreamseeker
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Soatok Dreamseeker
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Willow Liquorice
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Yaakov Stein
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Patrick Duc
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Flo D
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Shane Killian
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Abhinav Gottumukkala
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… David Stainton
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-… David Stainton
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… mStar
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Lauren Amsterdamer
- [TLS] Re: [External] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls… Wang Guilin
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Martin Thomson
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Bas Westerbaan
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Nick Sullivan
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Filippo Valsorda
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Sean Turner
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Yuto Nakano
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Antony Vennard
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Bas Westerbaan
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Yaakov Stein
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Frieder Hannenheim
- [TLS] Re: [External] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls… Michael Jones
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Martin Thomson
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Peter C
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Kevin Milner
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Nadim Kobeissi
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Scott Fluhrer (sfluhrer)
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Wang Guilin
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Patrick Duc
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Patrick Duc
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Adam Firestone
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Orr Dunkelman
- [TLS] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Re: WG Last Call: draft-… Yaakov Stein
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Yaakov Stein
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Yaakov Stein
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Dmitry Belyavsky
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Martin Guy
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Eric Rescorla
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Soatok Dreamseeker
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Ian Palmer
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Nicola Lazzari
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Sophie Schmieg
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Ludovic Perret
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Florian König
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Eric Rescorla
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Soatok Dreamseeker
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Bertrand Jacquin
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-… Rob Sayre
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-… Soatok Dreamseeker
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-… Rob Sayre
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Justin Schnurbusch
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-… Rob Sayre
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Deirdre Connolly
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-… Soatok Dreamseeker
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Pretty Hot And Tasty Bits
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Patrick Duc
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… David Stainton
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Christian Grothoff
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-… Peter Gutmann
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Patrick Dalrymple
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-… Patrick Duc
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-… Tanja Lange
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… michael
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Roland Shoemaker
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Peter C
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Valery Smyslov
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Michael P1
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… David Stainton
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] RE: Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Yaakov Stein
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Viktor Dukhovni
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Leonid Shamis
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Orr Dunkelman
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Soatok Dreamseeker
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Nadim Kobeissi
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Christian Kuehne
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Andrey
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Alexandr Burdiyan
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Patrick Duc
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Eric Rescorla
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-… Peter Gutmann
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-… Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… tirumal reddy
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Roald Van Glabbeek
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Stephan Neuhaus