[TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (Ends 2026-07-08)
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Subject: [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (Ends 2026-07-08)
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I object to the publication of this document. My concern is that the solo pq draft specifying use of only ML-KEM places all confidentiality on a single primitive whereas if we use a secure KEM combiner then total compromise requires breaking both primitives. In my estimation it would put people's lives in jeopardy if this document were published because many manufacturers/implementers would end up implementing it just to be complete. Some of them would even make it their default. I understand the other side's argument that blocking publication of the document may slow down pq adoption. That's fine with me if those venders were going to be implementing the solo pq design. Sincerely, David
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Scott Fluhrer (sfluhrer)
- [TLS] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (Ends… Joseph Salowey via Datatracker
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Russ Housley
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Viktor Dukhovni
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Filippo Valsorda
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Stephen Farrell
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Deirdre Connolly
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Thom Wiggers
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… David Benjamin
- [TLS] Re: [External] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls… Schäfer, Pascal
- [TLS] Re: [External] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls… Deirdre Connolly
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Peter C
- [TLS] Re: [EXTERNAL] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls… Dang, Quynh H. (Fed)
- [TLS] Re: [EXTERNAL] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls… Andrei Popov
- [TLS] Re: [EXTERNAL] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls… David Adrian
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Deirdre Connolly
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Songbo Bu
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Simon Josefsson
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Nathanael Ritz
- [TLS] Re: [EXTERNAL] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls… Andrew Lee
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… John Mattsson
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Bas Westerbaan
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Christopher Patton
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Yaroslav Rosomakho
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A
- [TLS] Re: [External] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls… Ryan Appel
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Martin Thomson
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Nick Sullivan
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Nick Sullivan
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… mjjenki@cyber.nsa.gov
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… David Benjamin
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Daniel Van Geest
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Kevin Milner
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Martin Thomson
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… David Stainton
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… nhgajco@uwe.nsa.gov
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Daniel Apon
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… mark
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Nadim Kobeissi
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Peter Yee
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Kevin Milner
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Jan Schaumann
- [TLS] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf… Yaakov Stein
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… John Mattsson
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… santosh.chokhani
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Eric Rescorla
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Kevin Milner
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Filippo Valsorda
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Andrew Lee
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Andrew Lee
- [TLS] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf… Yaakov Stein
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Joe Birr-Pixton
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Nadim Kobeissi
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Sean Turner
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Nadim Kobeissi
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Sam
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Lincoln Stoll
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Jack Grigg
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… steve
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Jeff Hodges
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Peter Gutmann
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Viktor Dukhovni
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Marc Penninga
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Shane Killian
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Soatok Dreamseeker
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Soatok Dreamseeker
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Willow Liquorice
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Yaakov Stein
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Patrick Duc
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Flo D
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Shane Killian
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Abhinav Gottumukkala
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… David Stainton
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-… David Stainton
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… mStar
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Lauren Amsterdamer
- [TLS] Re: [External] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls… Wang Guilin
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Martin Thomson
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Bas Westerbaan
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Nick Sullivan
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Filippo Valsorda
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Sean Turner
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Yuto Nakano
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Antony Vennard
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Bas Westerbaan
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Yaakov Stein
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Frieder Hannenheim
- [TLS] Re: [External] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls… Michael Jones
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Martin Thomson
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Peter C
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Kevin Milner
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Nadim Kobeissi
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Scott Fluhrer (sfluhrer)
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Wang Guilin
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Patrick Duc
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Patrick Duc
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Adam Firestone
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Orr Dunkelman
- [TLS] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Re: WG Last Call: draft-… Yaakov Stein
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Yaakov Stein
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Yaakov Stein
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Dmitry Belyavsky
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Martin Guy
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Eric Rescorla
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Soatok Dreamseeker
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Ian Palmer
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Nicola Lazzari
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Sophie Schmieg
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Ludovic Perret
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Florian König
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Eric Rescorla
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Soatok Dreamseeker
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Bertrand Jacquin
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-… Rob Sayre
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-… Soatok Dreamseeker
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-… Rob Sayre
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Justin Schnurbusch
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-… Rob Sayre
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (… Deirdre Connolly
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
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